Belinda [00:00:10]:
Hello and welcome back to the most what coaching podcast.
Enzo [00:00:13]:
Thank you very much. It's all looking nice there. I just said to you, I love this layout that you've got, and I'm jealous of it. Yeah, please. Really cool.
Belinda [00:00:25]:
As I was saying just before we popped on here, I'm very excited because you were 100th guest on the show, and ironically, you're now going to be the 150th guest on the Motorcoat coach.
Enzo [00:00:35]:
Yeah, well, that's actually congratulations to you, really, to be honest, because I know how difficult it is to do show after show after show. And 150, it passes quickly, actually, doesn't it? You don't realize till you count them up or see the number, like, oh, okay, Jeez, we've been doing this a while. So congratulations to you for that. Thank you.
Belinda [00:00:57]:
So it has been a year and you've been very quiet off track. On track. You've been quite successful. What's happening? Tell us a little bit about what's happening on track and then we'll talk about what's been happening off.
Enzo [00:01:08]:
I would say that the main points are well, I coach drivers a lot online, but going to the actual tracks, I'm with the F Two and F Three drivers, so it's obviously Ollie Bearman and with Sophia Flush and Ollie Gray and F Three. So I'd say that's the main things I do on track, and that takes up quite a bit of time, actually. There's quite a few race, 14 races, I think, this season, with one canceled. So, yeah, I'm mainly with them traveling, but then when I'm back, it's all about doing, like, what you're doing. Same thing online training, and then obviously the show once a week as well, so it takes up a lot of time. And writing the OD book as well. Yeah, of course.
Belinda [00:01:56]:
I didn't know any man fly solo, and then I didn't know I emailed you going, Where's the link? I can't find it on emphon in Australia. Is it not available? Over got. This is your second book that you've just put one. What are the first two? And then tell us a little about how this one I've got get The Drive. What's the other one?
Enzo [00:02:17]:
Yeah. Get the Drive is a sponsorship one. The Warrior's Mind is just pure mental training for race drivers. And then this one is obviously because it's called the Parents Guide. It's aimed for parents. And it's been something that's been on my mind forever, I'd say, because obviously parents are the most important people because they provide us with the drivers in a biological way. It's pretty obvious, but they go into this world a bit like my parents did, where it was really my dream. But the parents are the ones that are kind of driving you to the track when you haven't got a driving license and stuff.
Enzo [00:02:52]:
So it's still important, but race teams obviously talk to the parents rather than yourself when you're young. So the parents end up making the career decisions. They're really the mental trainer for the driver and all the other challenges that come along. Usually the parents have to wear it and front it basically. And when the driver is crying, it's crying on their shoulder, so they have to spend the time with the driver 24/7 whereas a coach, you kind of like, yeah, you train them, you do your online sessions, you're there at the race weekend, but then obviously they go home, you go home. Then it's the parents job to still provide the training for the driver and the lessons and all this. So I thought, there's nothing out there really. And I've always thought this you have as well because I know you tend to this a lot.
Enzo [00:03:39]:
There's nothing for the parents advice wise or training in any way. They're just supposed to get it right immediately and race teams obviously can take advantage of that because it's the parents that are paying for it. So parents can just they want advice, but they're always asking people in the industry that have got skin in the game and have got their own agendas. So it's really difficult to get genuine not only training of this is how you mentally coach a driver or help them overcome the challenges, but also career wise. How do you even choose a path? What's the best team? What happens when their team are not behaving themselves? Do I need a manager? All this stuff I've sort of included in the book and I see it as being a really important lesson for them and just I wanted to give them like a troubleshooting guide. When I've got this problem, I'll go to this chapter and just see what endo's got to say about it. Basically that's what read it and I've been writing it forever. To be fair, it's been a long one.
Belinda [00:04:42]:
I was like, I didn't get any teasers or anything, no athlete driven content for a long time. I was very excited or shocked all in the same breath when I did see the book come out with a coming soon, I was like, what? When? How come?
Enzo [00:04:56]:
Yeah, that's just my bad branding, that's marketing, that's all that is. But yeah, it's been in the background for a long time and I can't say I absolutely enjoy writing books because you don't want to release something that's perfect, right? So you keep going over it and you think of another challenge or I could do a chapter on that. So it does take about two years really, I'd say. And you just add in, add in, add in and then the proofreading and all this stuff afterwards is quite a long time. But no, it's great to get it out and it's had a good reception as well. It hits an area where they do need help parents do need help and just a bit of clarity on stuff. And even if it's just a bit of advice to brainstorm things, I think it's good.
Belinda [00:05:41]:
I agree 100%. And actually, like, next month I'm going to designate the month of August around about the next steps in career, so to speak. So, as you're saying, one of the big decisions that parents have to make is where should we take them on to the next challenge? Like what class should we race, what category should we race, where should we race? And so I'm going to invite different race category managers and team owners to come onto the podcast and actually share because even parents don't even know where to find contacts I find here in Australia, even to go from carding into a former Ford. Who do I call? What are the best teams? What are my options to be a private team versus being a part of their team owner? What are my costs and avenues and options? So definitely next month. So it's kind of a good alignment with your book. I'm going to be doing that season coming up too. But also, previously on the show we've had a sports psychologist talk about having that relationship with your parents at the track and then being able to disconnect once you go home, especially if Mum and dad is part of your team, your cart mechanic, your engineer or team manager and stuff like that. So, without a doubt, I'm sure that book is going to go right into a lot more details on how to actually survive because you did do a lot around the mindset side of things.
Enzo [00:07:03]:
Yeah, I think it's nearly all of it because nowadays I started off as obviously a driver, then driver coach and brake shapes and all this and lines. But to be fair, the teams have got that covered now with all the data and the onboards and stuff, they got a good idea of coaching a driver. So I went into life coaching, actually in the early two thousand s and mental training, and it goes hand in hand because usually you've got the skills, but it's accessing them at the time when you need it in competition. So really it comes down to mental side, really. I think it's mental first. Even knowledge is still mental. Getting the right kind of knowledge of how to put this qualifying lap together and having the right emotions in place for that and focus and the parent relationship with the driver is big. Now, the biggest thing I think a great driver for this driver motivation for this book was when I see I'm coaching a kid, a driver, and I'll tell them something which is exactly the same as what the parents saying, but because it's coming from me, they'll listen.
Enzo [00:08:12]:
If it's coming from the parents, it seems like a nag or they're telling them what to do, or they're taking away because a child usually wants to impress their parents more than anyone else. One of the parents normally they're biased towards one that they want to earn the love for and they can't help it's there. I think we've all got it. And when that parent then tells you how to do your own job, I think they see it as taking it away from them. Like, no, this is my area, this is mine. I don't want you to tell me how to do it because I've got this. And they get that kind of, I'd say chip on their shoulder at a certain age, usually in their teens. So then they start to be really rude to their parents and all this.
Enzo [00:08:54]:
And I'm like one of the main first chapters, actually is my kid won't listen to me, one of them, and I think we all know what that's like. We've been on both sides sort of thing and I think that's a big thing. And the interaction and it's basically how can a parent play it when you've got that kind of relationship? Which I think happens more often than not because they'll either rebel or they just want to prove they can do it. Basically. They're finding their feet for sure.
Belinda [00:09:26]:
I agree. Like even being a coach myself, I always post all of your content again to say, well, if you don't believe me, believe Enzo, because he's saying exactly if I'm telling you every day, listen to him because he's over that side and he's saying exactly the same things that I'm saying.
Enzo [00:09:42]:
You see it, don't you see it? When you're on the circuits, you see patterns. You kind of learn what's working and what isn't and you just build up your own database. And I think that's what me and you do. And over the years you sort of then have a template kind of of how to create success in a racing career and the main challenges we were.
Belinda [00:10:06]:
Talking off air before just about international drivers and how they're different when they come across. Do you think they're different in mentality because they don't have their parents, I guess, in their ear all the time they have come across individually and is that addressed in the book or that could be a part two.
Enzo [00:10:24]:
No, that's true, though I don't know if I did mention that, actually. But no, not crossing the other side of the world. Like, I've worked with quite a few of the Stanaways and Liam Lawson and Jacob Douglas now the people from that area, from completely the opposite side of the world, basically, or anyone who's traveling five. And if it's just to England, to France, they're coming away from their parents. They find that they have to be more self sufficient and they grow up very quickly. So they come in over when they're 17 and they have to live on their own or with the team. So it's always with adults and you can see that when they then go back home, they're like, oh, I've got nothing in common with my friends anymore. They're all talking about this stuff, and I'm actually talking about adult stuff now.
Enzo [00:11:13]:
So they really do have an express trip up into the adult world. And most people are older than them than that. They're working with, like, their engineers and mechanics and stuff. So I think when you're there with your bag in your hand constantly, you're reminded, this is down to me. And I'm the one who's got to make sure I've washed my kit before I go to the track. All these little things, I've actually got to go and cook for myself. That's weird. Just these little life skills.
Enzo [00:11:43]:
I think they learn quicker, anyone does, when they even like my father, who came to England from just he was on his own and he had to make it work. He was just a farmer from Italy, south of Italy. And it's like, right, it's on me. And I think that always causes you to step and you have to learn quickly. So, yeah, it's a benefit, I think, rather than just waiting at home.
Belinda [00:12:09]:
I think we've just come up with the fourth book there.
Enzo [00:12:12]:
Exactly. Not another one. I need at least a week's break before the other one. I start writing again.
Belinda [00:12:18]:
International.
Enzo [00:12:20]:
You got it.
Belinda [00:12:22]:
So you mentioned the first chapter was about dealing with your parents or sorry, what was the first title again?
Enzo [00:12:28]:
I'll have a look. I've got it in my hand. It's one of the first ones. And it's basically talking about, my kid won't listen to me.
Belinda [00:12:36]:
Yes. My kid won't listen to me.
Enzo [00:12:38]:
Yeah, it is. It's chapter six. It's a big one. It's quite a long chapter, that one.
Belinda [00:12:45]:
And do you go through anything about financials in there? About when is enough and what should.
Enzo [00:12:52]:
My and running out of money and what to do and the different paths, basically, because I'd say that's obviously the next biggest challenge, to be fair, is the cash side of it. F One at the top of the tree is very healthy. I'd say. It's healthiest it's ever been because of Netflix, believe it or not. And the way it's got a lot of it's a soap opera now. Well, they try and make it into that, even though the racing is still just as entertaining as it was. But, yeah, it hits perfectly, I think. And then obviously with the Hamilton rivalry and everything and Vistappen, that was brilliant.
Enzo [00:13:30]:
That was a story. So that's kicked off. So the top of the Tree is really healthy. We're talking F one, but all the junior categories that lead up to that are now super healthy as well. You've got 40, 50 cars more actually, if you add them together in F Four, Formula Regionals full formula Three is absolutely rammed in F Two, and they can't take anymore. So you got drivers queuing up and it's becoming a bidding war. So now it's even going more expensive. It's ridiculous.
Enzo [00:13:59]:
It's probably gone up another 30% next year to go for, especially if it's a successful team. They just keep turning up the volume until they feel that people won't pay. And that's really cruel because then you're talking millions to do F Three and it's like, where are you supposed to get that from? You're not giving millions in value to a sponsor. So it's all investment and stuff. So I think the money side of it is huge now. There is more help, I must admit, there's more people, more drivers on junior programs than ever before. It's like probably half the field now are on some kind of F One academy, so that's good. They've got more money, so they're putting more money into juniors, which is good, but still getting spotted getting on the first rung of the ladder.
Enzo [00:14:44]:
That's the hard bit if you're not from a wealthy background or if you've got access to some serious cash. So, yeah, I hit that as well, because I came from that world just trying to basically hold down jobs to pay for racing. Because I was a bit older, I was 18, so I could do that. And it was all club racing and as if you just keep winning and building and learning up the business skills to actually get sponsorship in, you can go quite far. But when they're in F Four at 1415 and they're in F Three at 16 and stuff, that's hard to compete with because that means you do need cash. So it's just giving them I've given people basically options of different routes and then I explain the different paths that drivers have gone on. A bit like McLaughlin, you'd never think he'd go to IndyCar, right? Like, where's that from? But he jumped in and he's really good.
Belinda [00:15:40]:
Yeah.
Enzo [00:15:41]:
So I've given some examples of people that have kind of gone left, right, and still ended up at the top. So it's basically just keep your son or daughter driving in anything, anything you can afford, anything that's kind of promotable, even if it's smaller than what they want to be in. If they're winning, they're making enough noise about it and talking to people that can give them an opportunity. It normally does work out normally if the work ethic is there. So, yeah, money is a big thing, but it's just creating opportunities, which I think the Get the Drive book is really more about. These are the different ways that people have got careers, not just sponsorship. Sponsorship is difficult now.
Belinda [00:16:22]:
Very difficult.
Enzo [00:16:23]:
It is because you can't offer them much, right? Yeah. The value of them giving you 100K is not really delivering in 100 k's worth of new custom, I don't think. No media value.
Belinda [00:16:39]:
Grassroots.
Enzo [00:16:39]:
Yeah. So it's kind of like, okay, if they spent that on Facebook adverts oh, my goodness. They would get a lot of clients, new customers. So we're up against that in the sport. If you really want to say, Right, I want to give them ROI, it's difficult. But then when you get near F two, F three, they do actually say, I want to have my brand on the car and it's worth it. So it gets it to a tipping point when it starts to become worth it again for a company.
Belinda [00:17:07]:
They're the ones we like.
Enzo [00:17:10]:
Exactly. Lots of different crypto was one thing, it's slightly toned down now because it's having a tough time, but two years ago, all the crypto companies were chucking money at drivers and next it's going to be AI, it's VR, whatever. There's always some new emerging market nowadays that actually the people in motorsport, they're aligned with this kind of industry that they're in, so it's always difficult, put it that way. It's never easy.
Belinda [00:17:41]:
No. And I think the nail on the head, that definitely over here, there was two points there that obviously, if they want to go international, whether it's Indy, Car Path or F One, they are having to leave home at 13 and 14. So having those life skill sets around, gaining sponsorship, even going grocery shopping, speaking a language, living outside of home, there's so many skill sets they have, and I don't think parents really know how to equip their child correctly or enough in order to send them away. So therefore, I'm finding a lot of the times that one of the parents having to break up the family over here or to separate from their family to go to escort the son or daughter to set them up. For six to twelve months, which is massive cost. And whether they have the luxury to actually live with family or friends or if they don't, they're on that journey together. But at some point, that parent has to come back to go back to work and to be with the other family, or they've all got to pick up and move across there. So it's like, how young is too young to start the education knowledge process? And that's why I keep saying, as far as even sponsorship goes, they need to know as soon as they start racing, they want to make a career.
Belinda [00:18:49]:
If it's a hobby, whatever, but if it's this career at 8910, they needing to know how to get sponsorship, how to do PR, how to have a brand, all of those kind of discussions and things they don't want to have with their child, but they have to step back as well. And we know we all have like doting parents as well at a point too, that want to look after us and want to do things for us, but as we both know, when it does come to sponsorship and social media and branding and all those things, it needs to come from the athlete itself. And the parents need to step away, because sponsors are looking to invest within the athlete, not so much within the parent. And then you ask the 13 year old boy to come up and give his 32nd speech and they're like, what? Mum normally does that. I'll get Mum to do it.
Enzo [00:19:35]:
Yeah, I see. That's a big thing now, I really do. I don't know if it's linked to the way we live now on the phone and stuff, but I do feel, and I don't know if this is true, but I do feel the level of confidence in a lot of kids now is lower. There's less interaction, there's lots of kids that can't even look you in the eye now. And I thought, I don't remember it being like that. Maybe I missed it, but it seems like it's very common.
Belinda [00:20:04]:
I've had more inquiries to media training a couple of months than ever before for young drivers as well. I know of drivers that during psych training, because they don't want to get onto the podium because they don't want to do their media.
Enzo [00:20:17]:
Wow, there you go.
Belinda [00:20:19]:
That's massive that these parents are investing within their child and yet this child doesn't want to win because they don't want to get up and do a speech, because they don't want to stand in front of people.
Enzo [00:20:28]:
That's amazing. Yeah, that's a really good point. It is. One thing that's very true is that people invest in people. So whether it's a Formula One Academy or a manufacturer or anybody who can give you an opportunity, if they don't quite feel the driver, they don't quite feel the driver really wants it, or they can't connect the driver's not taking the time to even talk to them, they don't really want to help them out.
Belinda [00:20:56]:
Yeah.
Enzo [00:20:56]:
You know what I mean? It has to be the X factor. So if you got two drivers that are kind of similar pace, but one you can see, works hard, has got a good attitude, lifts the team, even if actually that driver is two tenths slower, you'll probably hire that one just because you don't really connect with the other one. It's amazing how it's still a people sport, because the only thing that's stopping a driver advancing is somebody somewhere above says no, for whatever reason. So you've got to learn how to get people to say yes and then you can have anything you want in life. Anything. So it's actually a skill that I think if parents focus on that side, how can I get my child a bit more out there, confident, being interested in actual succeeding, finding their passion, because it might not be in racing. I'm not saying this is all about race, this is all about life skills. So racing is sometimes the parent's goal and the kids going along with it because it's cool, but then they lack the work ethic because it's not really their goal.
Enzo [00:21:59]:
They want to do something else. So that's another thing I touch upon it's. Like, make sure that this is theirs, not yours. And if it is yours and it's a shared thing, great. But just know that you're going to get to a point where the person themselves has to take over, has to run the show, and if they're not fully invested, that's when it'll fall flat. Do what needs to be done.
Belinda [00:22:22]:
Yeah. And sometimes, like, with the drivers, if they haven't gone to Europe or us by 14 or 15, when they come to 17 and 18, and the bank of Mum and dad are like, Hang on, we've been paying this for ten years. You're old enough to go get a job now. The athlete has to make a decision. Do they want to work and have money and keep racing, or they have to work out how can they juggle all of this? What does work? What does part time work? We mentioned about being fortunate or unfortunate with phones, but can they be doing online work, OD, hours between school and racing and stuff like that? But that's where that whole workmanship comes into it. Like, they've got to make that decision. And it's those drivers that take that initiative to start contributing, working part time and paying for their racing. That's when I feel like they really start to take an interest in learning how to get sponsorship, in having to do social media, because they know that mom and dad can't do it anymore.
Belinda [00:23:18]:
So financially, they've got to just switch on and go, okay, well, hey, I've got to put on my big boy pants, big girl pants, and learn all of these skill sets myself, because think of Mum and dad are drying up quick.
Enzo [00:23:31]:
Oh, yeah, it is. And you still got to keep the mom and dad motivated as well, to do it. So yeah, all true. All very true. We've got to make sure the kids are all it's difficult because a lot of them don't have the skills and school doesn't really teach you the entrepreneurial skills, which is pretty much what we're talking about here. It is being an entrepreneur and understanding that it's a business, but you still got to have the passion. I just want to be a race driver, that's all you think when you're a kid, right? I just want to drive. It's the sexiness of all that.
Enzo [00:24:02]:
And then you tell them, actually what work goes behind it and how you need to be, and it's like, all right, I don't think I've got them skill. I'm not motivated. So it's a big subject.
Belinda [00:24:13]:
Yeah. I'd love to do an interview, maybe with one of your F Three drivers about how much they put onto the off track development side of things over the last couple of years. What has that looked like on their journey from their carting days to the open wheelers to now having that opportunity? What were they doing back then to what they're doing now? And how much time, because I think people don't really understand exactly how much goes into that sponsorship development side of things. And I think one podcast, you said it should be like at least 4 hours a week or something.
Enzo [00:24:45]:
What was that on? Doing what?
Belinda [00:24:46]:
Sponsorship, maybe? Yeah, maybe during one of your podcasts talks about at least one to 4 hours every week that you should be developing sponsorship strategies, sending out, nurturing those sponsors, partners, getting everybody on board, cold calling, anything.
Enzo [00:25:02]:
Yeah, it depends on the need. Like, if you're really running out, then it's going to be an eight hour a day thing, even if you're at school. But if it's just maintaining the current relationship you've got, then it's probably 4 hours. So I'd say it's more. It's a lot more. It just depends on because you can't race without it. You're right, it's gone up. Drivers that are actually doing it, I'd say it takes say you've got to research and approach 100 companies.
Enzo [00:25:38]:
That takes a long time. And you're not doing like, proposals for them. You're literally researching them and thinking, okay, all I need to do is set up a meeting with this company. And you see what they do, you see what they need, and then you kind of come up with your right, I think motorsport will give them this and this and this. They would be interested or just one thing that they'd be interested. I just want a meeting with them to show them how motorsport can offer them. That not me as a driver. Because when you're at the beginning, they don't care about investing in a driver that's got a future career.
Enzo [00:26:09]:
There's no return on investment for that. But if you say, I can give you access to these clients or whatever it is they're after, or the brand new product that they've just launched in, they can help them promote that in front of these type of people, hundreds of thousands or tens of thousands of them, and put a nice price on it. That's the kind of thing that you can offer a company and they're like, okay, that actually makes sense. But drivers at a young age, they won't be able to hold themselves in a boardroom. They just won't. They won't be taken seriously. So they do need to partner with somebody who can approach companies and sell them, sell their features and benefits, basically.
Belinda [00:26:48]:
For a company in the book. Like, when's the right time for the parents to step away and let for the athlete to stand?
Enzo [00:26:54]:
Yeah, it's all in there. Yeah, it kind of naturally happens. Carting parents are very involved. They have to do everything right, and that comes down to team selection and getting the driver to the track and all this stuff. But then as they get to cars, the environment is different, so they're no longer allowed in the debrief room. Some coaches are not even allowed in the debrief. Room with an engineer and the whole environment is different, so you don't feel like you can be as involved. So parents take more of a backseat there.
Enzo [00:27:28]:
That's when you really got to have the child firing on all cylinders, really, and growing up, and they have to. Yeah. It normally works out itself, I'd say, just because of the way car racing is.
Belinda [00:27:41]:
Yeah.
Enzo [00:27:42]:
And even the team will tell the parents off if they're too intrusive or loud, so it gets sorted out. Yeah, they do. They get banned. Honestly, it's quite amazing. So there is difference. Carting world is more like what you see on a soccer match, where everyone's shouting, screaming, and the parents are fighting each other, literally, and complaining that he or she's got this engine, blah, blah. It's very like that. It's intense.
Enzo [00:28:07]:
But then car World's different, it's a different atmosphere, there's a lot more hanging around, so it's just a bit more subdued.
Belinda [00:28:15]:
That's when we're entertaining our clients.
Enzo [00:28:17]:
Enzo exactly, yeah. We've got plenty of time for that at race weekends. Yeah, too much time for that.
Belinda [00:28:25]:
Fantastic. Well, I'm so excited, I can't wait for my coffee to arrive. So I grabbed mine on Amazon.com a thanks for the link. Is that main point of purchase?
Enzo [00:28:37]:
Well, Amazon's strange because you put it on Amazon and they put it on all the marketplaces. So each one, whether it's China, they've got their own, US has got their own UK, Australia, we've all got our own. So it should just be available. And if it doesn't come up with the link that I provide, I'll provide three links on the website and if one of them doesn't, it should redirect you to your country. So Amazon's a bit like that. It is one big website, but each marketplace is very different and it's like a different company, so it always makes it confusing. If you search Enzo muchi Parents Guide, just them words, it'll come up, I'm sure.
Belinda [00:29:15]:
Of course. I will put the link in today's show notes.
Enzo [00:29:17]:
Thank you very much.
Belinda [00:29:18]:
Is there anything else you'd like to share with us today, Enzo?
Enzo [00:29:22]:
Well, basically, on the parent side, it's just yeah, I mean, use racing as life skills, because I think that's what they get from it. And that's what I'm in it for, really. It's to teach them the skills so they can succeed at anything. If racing doesn't work out, then what they take from it is so valuable. They can be a really good entrepreneur, you know what I mean? They can set up their own business because it's the same sort of thing. It's competitive. You've got to innovate, you got to keep improving, you got to spot what people want and deliver that, which is kind of like sponsorship. So I'd say take that on and keep mindful of that.
Enzo [00:29:58]:
So if racing doesn't work out, if it's not really their true passion, because we change, right, we get to 18 all of a sudden, you know what? I don't want to do this anymore. Then allow them to do that, because if you force them, it'll end up bad anyway and just spend a lot of money. So I think it's just use motorsport for what it is, and if it works out, it works out. It's great. But it's not all fluffy at the top. It really isn't. It's a bit like movie when people go to crack the movie industry or the music industry. It's not as amazing at the top as you think.
Enzo [00:30:32]:
So it's the journey that's really cool and great. When you're there, you open up a can of worms. So if they don't make it, just use it. And when I say don't make it, I mean the original goal, the original big goal, like we said.
Belinda [00:30:46]:
I mean, the great thing about motorsports is there are so many different avenues that you can go down. And as I said, you might have to regress down to a smaller car, smaller budget, different direction, but it's just a restock, refocus, replan, and it takes you anywhere.
Enzo [00:31:03]:
You could be an engineer. I never thought I'd be a coach, starting racing and then all of a sudden, like, you know what? I actually get more of a kick out of coaching people. And then racing sort of took a bit less of my time. I was like, this is much better than I go into life coaching and all this. So I think you find your way, basically.
Belinda [00:31:24]:
And at the end of the day, racing is a family sport. Isn't that what they provide, Enzo?
Enzo [00:31:28]:
Yeah, it is.
Belinda [00:31:30]:
They keep the love and keep the team together and try and break it between business and pleasure.
Enzo [00:31:37]:
It could be a wild ride.
Belinda [00:31:39]:
It awesome. Ride. Well, again, Enzo, thank you very much. I can't wait again for the book. Make sure you race out and grab the parents Guide to racing a race driver. And, Enzo, I might see you to get another 50 shows.
Enzo [00:31:52]:
Yeah, exactly. See you on 200.
Belinda [00:31:55]:
All right, thanks very much.
Enzo [00:31:56]:
Brilliant. Thank you.
Belinda [00:31:58]:
Thank you. Correct.
